Monday, October 17, 2011

Improvised Noise Insulation on my Grand Espace III

Our Grand Espace III (year 2001) have an average NVH (Noise Vibration & Harshness) level. Means that it is not QUIET enough in my personal opinion, especially compared to the new models and most new cars. Therefore, in my quest to improve this issue, after some search around, find a company that is expert in this issue. KL AUTO owned by Desmond near Jalan Raja Laut KL has done many cars, but seems this is his 1st time doing an Espace.
KL AUTO near Jalan Raja Laut.  More info,
please visit their web http://www.autofoam.com.my/ 

WHAT TO EXPECT?

  • For 1st phase, budget about RM800-850 per vehicle (Espace).
  • Do not expect much (according to Desmond) because Espace quietness is quite good already
  • Grand Espace is less quiet than standard Espace due to bigger size and bigger glass area. 



WHAT BEEN INSTALLED?

  • Engine bonnet insulator.
  • Front Tyre wheel arch insulation.
  • Rear bonnet insulation.
  • Under dash insulator. (TEST)

The front engine bonnet noise insulator 

the front tyre insulator

material for rear bonnet insulator. quite heavy and thick.

the rear bonnet before insulator installed.
The rear panel has been removed.

The insulator after installed. 

The under dash insulator material. Sticked below the
aircond hose.

THE EFFECT?
GOOD : Reduce engine noise (about 15-20%) & quieter ambience at stationary & low speed (<20kmh)
NOT GOOD : Tyre noise amplified (hear more tyre noise). Engine noise also feels more noisier especially >65kmh.

WHAT TO DO?
Quite tricky actually. Desmond suggest to remove the under dash insulator. My additional opinion is to upgrade to quieter tyre (now using Michelin XM1)...

WHY THIS HAPPENED?
Noise is quite a complex matter to handle and manage. A near S-Class or Lexus quietness is not easy to achieve in a standard car. Moreover, if our expectation is quite high, a small improvement in that level is simply not enough.

SOURCE OF NOISE/SOUND & HOW TO MANAGE IT

A complex & tricky matter actually. There are 2 main factors of noise; which is actually EXTERNAL and INTERNAL noises. Another matter is our ear will search for noises and sounds, as it is not natural in a no-noise environment.

So, 1st challenge is to block most EXTERNAL noise from entering inside.
The 2nd step is to manage the noises/sounds inside the vehicle. It is quite impossible to eliminate 100% external noises from entering the vehicle. Furthermore, it is not natural for us to stay in a no-noise environment (like in a quiet chamber for torturing people); and for safety purposes.

Basic/fundamental specific car design (such as the top range cars) have better design & insulators to have a quieter vehicle (such as double layer glass, thick insulator, better insulation designs, etc.)

IN MY CASE, HOW THIS MAY HAPPENED?
The more amplified tyre noise has cause more discomfort than before. With less engine noise,  the affect is our ears hear more of "other" noises. Therefore, some of the action can be improvised is to actually increase a little engine noise ; which managing the noise, therefore our EAR will feel more comfortable.

an example of a noisy market

Example : like when we go to noisy market (such as pasar malam), we will hear the noises. However, after a while, the noises become comfortable. When we go back to our home, even the small noise of the white lamp or other small noise can be easily heared, because we come from a noisy environment.

MY ADVISE
The standard insulation of Espace is actually quite good already. However, the 1st phase of this improvement may not yet improvised as expected. I will try to update after the removal of the under dash insulator. Desmond also suggest to go 2nd phase of autofoam (put foam inside the hollow chassis) but for me, I have no issue with the soft handling of the Grand Espace.

So, I will keep you all updated.

6 comments:

  1. Zikri, have you tried Yokohama db (decibel)s? I have them on my Espace IV for the past 2 years - all I can say they are very very quiet. Quieter than Michelins (which I used before). I tried Toyos but didn't like them.

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  2. Faidzal, thanks for the suggestion. Tried on my brother Estima but he said the Michelin is little more quieter (Michelin Premacy LC). Unfortunately, this tyre model no size for my Espace III la. So, maybe search for Yokohama dB.

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  3. Standard trick.
    Get you to reduce engine noise and other noises first. This will make your tyre noise more obvious. Then, you pay more money to chase after the tyre noise. When tyre noise is reduced, then you hear the wind noise that you've never heard before, and you spend more money to chase after the wind noise. And thenyou hear more external noise, and you hv spend more to bloack those external noise. SP cannot be done in stages. Its only offered to you in stages because the "specialist" needs to lure you into Stage 1 first, and then he'll lead you into Stage 2 and onwards. You can't just buy a great CD headunit....whther you like it or not, you'll eventually also buy a nice amp, nice speaker etc.....so for soundproofing, do the WHOLE THING once, and completely. It'll be expensive certainly. but again, its like playing home hi-fi.....there is NO END to it. I have seen many people conned into it.

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  4. For any vehicle, ALWAYS change to the quietest tyres first. This is the source of the noise. This produces the most significant difference. You shd do this to your Espace as the 1st step.

    2nd step: Extensively treat your 4 wheel arches with brush-on/spay-on products and 3M Thisulate. This is the critical area that's closest to the noise source, and it amplifies the tyre noise.

    3rd step: On your interior's front kickpanel area...directly behind it is the tyre. Dampen this area heavily, put a layer of closed cell foam, and then use sound barrier materials to block the sound. Dont bother absorbing it....low freq noise cant be absorbed by just 1" of any sound absorbing material.

    4th step: Foam all your pillars or stuff them with 3M Thinsulate or other fibrous fluffy materials.

    5th: Seal all holes inside your front doors with Dynamat or equivalent, and then use lots of foam, absorbers etc.

    once you've done the above...the diff is SIGNIFICANT.
    If you want to go further.....then there'll be NO ENDING.... just like playing with hi-fi.



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